Sunday, April 09, 2006

To Baghdad (Arabic Post)

بغداد
بغداد لا لم تسقطي بل سقط العرب
بغداد حان وقت الغضب
بغداد اصبري و تحملي
بغداد لا...لا تسكتي
فانه السكوت الأخير
بغداد لا تصرخي
فليس من نصير
بغداد لا هرب
بغداد حان وقت الغضب
بغداد كوني فجرا في الظلام
بغداد أفيقي من تحت الحطام
بغداد لا فرار
بغداد لا...لا انكسار
فالموت في كل اتجاه
و الظلم في كل دار
بغداد لا هرب
بغداد حان وقت الغضب
بغداد أنت الجمال
بغداد أنت الكمال
بغداد كوني حقيقة
لا خيال
بغداد لا ...؛
لا تسقطي
فان سقطي
سقط الأمل
بغداد ثوري و اغضبي
فقد حان وقت الغضب

18 Comments:

Anonymous IraqObserver said...

Dear ABOUD,

First of all I want to correct some terminologies and facts you mentioned because it is clear you are not Iraqi and all what you know about Iraq is Baghdad as a city, and sure Saddam and the occupation. Then I will just tell you my feelings toward what happened in Baghdad that days and I believe so that most Iraqis “80%” felt the same way because simply I’m Iraqi and I know people more than you for a simple reason I lived there for 25 years and experienced all the problems there.

You mentioned that “Baghdad is falling”, actually it is Saddam Regime that felled not Baghdad and you better wide your scope because there are 18 cities in IRAQ not just Baghdad.

Also you mentioned “Baghdad, this great Arabic Islamic capital is now under occupation” , it seems you forgot all the civilization achievements of the great history of IRAQ before Islam and Arab even exists in IRAQ and you narrowed your scope to only the Arabic Islamic period. And for your information that 40% Iraqis are not Arab. We have many cultures, religions, races and backgrounds. I think IRAQ deserved a more evaluation factors than just mentioned it as the great Arabic Islamic Capital. And by the way Baghdad is not Arabic word.

At this day of April when my brother called me and he was crying and said “We are no longer prisoners of Saddam and his regime” I run to TV to watch the details I didn’t believe that Saddam will not rule the great IRAQ again. I felt very happy and called my friends and family in Baghdad and other cities, everyone were happy. We were preferring to get help from our “Brothers “ in Arabs countries but they all were Saddam’s copies and don’t care about any Iraqi life and this what got proved later on..

I want to tell you something, during the first 4 months there were no problems between Iraqis and USA army, they were eating in our restaurants, walking in streets, playing with children but all that start evaporating once Arabs start send us their help “BOMBERS or AL-MOGAHIDEEN” and the cycle of killing starts booming in all ways and what strength them the support of x-Baathiest and Saddam followers.

It is not April Fool because you “ARAB” was fooled during the last thirty five years by Saddam and his dump speeches, secondly a small correction it was Saddam who fallen not Baghdad.

I still cant imagine after around four years passed and you still believing that we were SAD because we lost Saddam and you still believing that Saddam is a good person and you didn’t bother spent only 10 seconds and think of those dead people and the miserable situation IRAQ was living during the past 35 years all what you care is what he did for Palestinians “Money and DUMP speeches”.

I know you will tell me US is not better than Saddam, I tell you they are better than Saddam and than any Arabic who has the mentality that accepting killing innocent people in sake of other people. And I will tell you that Iraqis who decided not defend Saddam and agreed to go with US options because US goals and our goals had an agreement at this point of time and we will benefit from it. Believe if were respecting our leader neither US nor any country can get control of IRAQ during only two weeks

I know I got into more details than your post mentioned but I couldn’t stop writing because you hit my deepest feelings, it is just like you are greeting my killer and pictures our freedom day as the worst day in IRAQIES life.

I hope I can invite you to IRAQ for only one week to know the TRUTH of all things that you are seeing in TV.

Last think to mention is if you have ethics problem with US we don’t have that problems and I believe you are Palestinian because they who defend Saddam’s Iraq most of the time and we know the reasons behind that “Two rocket to Israel which paid later on and a lot of money to Palestinian while Iraqis were live in the worst situations”.

Before writing any reply just thing that thousands of Children, women and old men killed by Saddam so I’m asking to respect them minimally

What ever the consequence, now we have a national day “The freedom Day” and it is a formal holiday in IRAQ and Saddam now in his jail watching this, this is the moment we wait to see before we die and hope also we see the moment when all terrorists and killers got captured and killed and we start building our new country with the help of GOOD countries. You Arab if you want to help us indeed stop sending us BOMBERS and come with us to build the new IRAQ, otherwise you will regret for whole your life because you will remember your sharing in new IRAQ only in killing and you will feel shame about it.

SADDAM IS FELLED AND NEW IRAQ STARTERED AND NOTHING WILL STOP IT.

10 April, 2006 00:18  
Anonymous zika said...

i don't know what to tell u, u iraqi observer .. u r so pathetic.

first of all he's talking about baghdad the great arabic islamic ... and yes it's a great ARABIC ISLAMIC city, i don't care from where it's name came from, but i know that this city was one of the most important cities in the ARABIC ISLAMIC history, and it's u and ur similarities who r trying erase BAGHDAD identity as an ARABIC ISLAMIC city, i guess that's what the west always tried to do, not just for baghdad, but all the arabic cities and countries, and u proved that they have succeeded, i don't know if u r arabic or muslim or u don't prefer to say that about urself anymore !! but what i know and sure about is that BAGHDAD was and still ALWAYS an ARABIC ISLAMIC city, and IRAQ is an arabic islamic country, i know that 3,000 years ago it wasn't, but it's for 1,500 years and still .. i guess the west r trying to peel this identity from any arabic and islamic countries !!

second of all, i don't have numbers but i'm sure that the number of iraqi people who have killed under US occupation in those 3 yrs is much more than the no. that saddam killed in 30 years !! and u r talking that it's all because of the arabic bombers, it's not all, yes some of them, but i know people who live in iraq and the iraqi's r also killing each other !! and those arabic bombers if the iraqi's don't want them they can prevent them from doing all of these acts in iraq.

then after seeing what is going in iraq after saddam's ruling, we saw what's the good he was doing for the iraqi's, all of those communities in iraq weren't able to do anything under saddam ruling, and when he left the came out from nowhere and started to kill each other and making all of the disturbance, at least saddam was preventing this civil war !!

then can u remeber what was iraq, before the 1990 gulf war ?!? iraq military was the 5th strongest in the world !! u had sciences and technology noone in the area have ever dream about it !! y do u think americans tried to destroy him !! they don't care about iraqi's or setting DEMOCRACY in iraq !! they don't fuckin care !! there plans r much bigger than that !!

and what a leaders u got now !! tell me about that !! all of those guys were outside iraq living in mansions and driving luxury cars !!huh .. and we can see how they r trying to rule right now !!

and what about "the freedom day" !! u made me laugh, u r under occupation !!! how become u r free !! at least wait untill the american leave ur country !!!! and if u r proud about the day where another country came to help ur people, that's shameful !! look at the french revolution and learn, how people free themselves without the need of the an outsider !! if the people r ready for thier freedom, believe me they'll get it despite any circumestances !!

and yes i'm with u ABOUD .. BAGHDAD was fallen and still falling, i hope that it'll rise again, but it won't if all the iraqis are like iraqobserver

and BAGDAD is a great ARABIC ISLAMIC capital , and iraq is still ARABIC and ISLAMIC

10 April, 2006 11:11  
Blogger ABOUD said...

Dear Iraqobserver,
Talking about Baghdad falling was a symbolic thing, and as it is seen that what was written is that everything fell that day, Arabs, Moslems, Democracy, United Nation, ethics, etc...

"40% of Iraqis are not Arabic"!!!
Even if you are Kurdish you are a Moslem and if not you are Arabic, if you are neither this or that, I think that you can live in this area with this majority.

10% of Iraqis are Kurdish (and these are Sunni Moslems), 40% are Arabic Sunnis and the other 40% are Arabic Sheiis.

Freedom my friend can not be given, freedom is taken.

Thanks for the invitation, but I would never go to a place were I have to get a permission from a foreigners.

I am not a Palestinian, and if I were, I would be as much Iraqian as a Palestinian.

"You Arab" you have said that more than once, so my friend if you don't consider yourself as a one, just leave the country you are living in now (and I think it is Jordan), because people over there sacrificed a lot for being Arabs.
They shared everything with you (Iraqians) and said nothing about that, because we are brothers (Arabs and Moslims and even in humanity).
You know that you in Jordan there is a lack of water, and despite that they welcome all the Iraqians. You made everything expensive, and still they have said nothing.
So my friend if you don't consider yourself to be a one, or if you are ashammed of being a one, just pick up your things and go to the democratic America, were black people were left behind in Katrena just because of the color of thier skins.

My friend, if a nation is not willing to die enough to get it's freedom, then it doesn't deserve that freedom.

10 April, 2006 13:34  
Blogger ABOUD said...

One more thing my friend,
Talking about Democracy in America, where most of the people were against war and still Mr. Bush went to this war.

A question for you,
If your brother were in Abu Ghraib would you still say the same things???
If your wife were raped would you still like this American democracy???!
I was just wondering.

10 April, 2006 13:42  
Anonymous Jordan 1st said...

hey Iraqi if you hate saddam why you were kissing his legs and hands just before hours the US army enters baghdad!! and who sends you the bombers!!! you are the one who sends them to us!! bagdad was always known as "2ahl el kezb wo el nefaq"... if u love Iraq then go back maybe u can make a change which i doubt it, coz u must change the mentality of all the ppl there... Good Luck, btw aboud khef 3alena bel mawadee3 ah!

10 April, 2006 16:39  
Anonymous Jordan 1st said...

2agolak ya zalameh shallef wo 2erja3 hnak maybe they raped u :P
ppl like u shouldnt have the permission to speak about freedom or anything else.....
shallleeeefffff

10 April, 2006 16:46  
Blogger ABOUD said...

Just to be clear, I am Jordanian from Palestinian origins and I am soooooooo proud of that.

10 April, 2006 20:15  
Blogger ABOUD said...

Dear Iraqobserver,
I hope that the discussion didn't turn to an aggressive one.
Thanks.

13 April, 2006 11:46  
Anonymous IraqObserver said...

Dear Aboud,

It didn’t turn to an aggressive but it seems it turned to non ethical, it is not strange to hear such comments by ARAB specially Palestinian regardless of their current passports. I consider myself lucky is that USA has the power to free IRAQ not an ARABIC country because as appears in the comments we were having all the BOMBERS in Iraq.

I will feedback on your comments only because other comments miss logical, ethical and even humor sense and I'm not here to fight back those guys because their comments are enough to reflect their miserable environment that they are living and the level of their mentality. For a notice for those who puts the silly comments, I just want to say one thing, Iraq and Iraqis exists before any Arabic country and terms like “Freedom, Occupation, Resistance and democracy” are known to us while your grand, grand and grand fathers were housing in deserts and don’t even know how to read and write, so you Arab again you are not the one who teach us what is IRAQ and its real history because all what you know guys is Saddam only.

Anyway back to your points in the comment.

1) you asked me below questions

a) If your brother were in Abu Ghraib would you still say the same things???

Answer : thanks because not me and non of my family reached by Saddam and his killer machines but this does not mean I stand blind and not support my people, I will tell a story of one of my relatives and I assure you that every family has one or a relative effected by fucken Saddam "sorry for the word" and his supporters

My cousin graduated from the University Of Technology as Engineer "And I'm sorry I cant mention fine details due to security problems as Saddam followers are still tracking people till now", after graduation he disappeared for two years and we didn’t hear about him till 5 years after his disappear, they came to my uncle house and they said your son is assassinated and you are prevented from doing "Fat7a or 3eza in Jordan language" and they asked for the money for the bullets that used in killing my cousin". after a while we see his body and the reason behind torture him and killing him because he was going everyday to the Mosque in the early morning and someday said that we need to let people know more about real Islam.

Dear ABOUD with all the suffer we had in the age of Saddam, ABO GHRREEB become just a regular story providing that most of those that appeared in TV were belonging to X-Security members. At least it appears in Media and you know about it and USA itself open investigations for it “regardless of honesty”, this was not provided in the age of Hero Saddam million got killed without even a teardrop.

I'm not saying that what happened in ABO GHREEB is acceptable but this should not be a justification to say that what happened in Saddam time was justifiable.

Believe me ABOUD and I cant say more than Believing me, we suffer a lot and my people suffer a lot and now we are building our country in the right direction regardless of the attempts to fail this project from Arab and other countries, it takes time but it worth it regardless of mistakes in the way we fight for 35 years “and not as one said in your comments we kissed Saddam legs, the only who kissed Saddam legs and still is his followers and ARAB like the one who writes his comment” all what we ask is a little support and respect from you guys or just leave us alone for a while and we will appreciate it and we promises we will not export our democracy to you and we will let you live in your darkness for thousands years. All dead people that killed in Iraq for no reason should be respected regardless of their background and races and whether if they killed in Saddam time or now.

b) If your wife were raped would you still like this American democracy???!

Answer : thousand of Iraqi women raped in the age of Saddam and in front of their parents and husbands you didn’t hear or see them because you see only Saddam face in TV not like now , freedom in broadcasting, so don’t tell me that Saddam Police and all ARABS Countries POLICE is better than USA POLICE.

Secondly democracy is a concept when applied it may leads to bad people or good people and this nothing related how a human is treated in JAILS.

Now I want to ask you below questions

a) If your sister is raped by your neighbor Muslim friend will you still consider his religion and his nationality?

b) If your brother is killed by your father will you still respect your father?

2) you mentioned below strange numbers:

"10% of Iraqis are Kurdish (and these are Sunni Moslems), 40% are Arabic Sunnis and the other 40% are Arabic Shies."

this is the first time I heard of those percentages in my life and my whole study in IRAQ, it is really funny how you guys got those numbers. I think you need a more trusted reference

anyway I want to tell you below numbers which are close to accurate and if you don’t believe me I hope you get a new reference. as I told I hope you come someday in IRAQ and you will sense the numbers by yourself although you will find it hard because we live as one family for 6 thousand years but you will recognize it from traditions and religious cults and don’t afraid you don’t need a permission to enter IRAQ because it is not Palestine and I have IRAQI passport and still can invite you someday

3)I think it is hard to convince someone live in the middle of the situation with concepts that not related in anyway to the situation. Imagine if I said to you that I don’t believe in what happening in Palestine ,Sharon is a good one and 7emas took money from selling drugs and get support from Iran they always try convince teenagers to bomb themselves by giving their parents some money, wouldn't that heart you or make you feel that with all the pain someone comes and add to it more pain.

Reading my life in Jordan, except my work in the Foreign Company that I work in "and thanks it is not a Jordanian or Arabic company" and some little good honest friends ; my live in Jordan can be described by below points “although there are thousands of Iraqis here live worse than me in many times”:

1) I worked for 6 years in Jordan and still didn’t have residence here for me and for any of my family just because I’m IRAQI while Palestinians were coming to IRAQ in the age of the Fucken Saddam and where given the houses of Poor Iraqis and they were accept it normally.

2) Everyday I hear the SHIT talking and you have sample of that in your post. The problem in Jordan is 90% have no respect to Iraqis and their case, they only care about only one Person which is Saddam and because we hate Saddam then we “18 millions” are worthless. But this will change forever and you will feel it when someday comes and you come for looking a Job In Iraq.

3) IF I'm not careful when Saddam in Iraq I will be captured like DOGS here as did with thousands of Iraqis that were working here.

Don’t tell me about brotherhood, Iraqis get the respect in USA, England and other countries while in ARAB countries they captured in streets.


Anyway ABOUD, me and my people will build the NEW IRAQ and there will be no control by one ethics or religion anymore because Democracy is a standard concept everywhere in the world regardless from where it came. And it requires we will build the BIG WALL between Iraq and Arab countries and the one exists between Israel and Palestine to get rid of all the garbage that may came and we will put a filter for only those that respect Iraq “not Saddam”.

At last I thank my GOD "if exists" that I belong to IRAQ that have many religions and backgrounds that make us open minded and I hope ARAB someday will be like us so that we can communicate better with them.

For those who are asking about my religion, race and nationality

I'm Iraqi, Arabic, Muslim, Shea and my wife is Kurdish, Muslim, Sunni. although I'm atheist and hate talk about my religion and race background because ethics what counts but sometimes you need to deal with people as their way of thinking.

Thanks ABOUD

14 April, 2006 01:35  
Blogger ABOUD said...

Dear Iraqobserver,
What's up with you man, it looks that you have personal issues with the Palestinians!!! I going to comment on the later on.

"Iraq and Iraqis exists before any Arabic country and terms like “Freedom, Occupation, Resistance and democracy” are known to us while your grand, grand and grand fathers were housing in deserts and don’t even know how to read and write".
What was that about???
Do you think that we are embaressed from that? You are wrong man, you are soooooo wrong.
Terms like Freedom, Occupation, Resistance and democracy is born with us, it has nothing to do with where you are living, or what your grand father used to work.
Those illeterate you are talking about brought freedom and democracy and justice to almost everywhere in the world.
And by what means of democracy do you think that you are the only one that has the truth???

"ABO GHRREEB become just a regular story providing that most of those that appeared in TV were belonging to X-Security members". Man where did you get that from, X-Security??? What kind of news do you watch man, didn't you see all these old men, and even if they were, in what means of humanity can explain the pictures that came out of there.

Who said that Saddam did nothing wrong??

You fought for 35 years!!! I doubt it man.
IT IS THOSE THE PALESTINIAN THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED FOR 58 YEARS, AND THEY ARE WILLING TO DIE FOR THE REST OF LIFE.
It is those who deserve FREEDOM and they are going to get it no matter what. It is those who celebrate dying for their country who deserve to get freedom and democracy.

1,000,000 (ya with 6 zeros) Algerians died to free Algeira. One million and even more that were ready to die for their country.
Can you see the difference man, that what we expect from the great Iraqis those who are fighting back at this moment.

I am going to say that again, FREEDOM IS NOT GIVEN, FREEDOM IS TAKEN.

Everybody respects those who were killed or who is getting killed now while they are trying to defence and liberate thier country.

I am not waiting an invetation to go to Iraq, I will go over there to celebrate the real freedom when all of those who came from Europe and US night clubs to role Iraq will be kicked out, I will go over there to celebrate victory with my brothers.

Speaking about Iran, I was expecting that Iraqis would have learnt something from their neighbors. What they did over there in the Islamic revolution, was real democracy, many died achieving it, but they didn't stop, they kept fighting for it.

This shit you hear in Jordan is for those who left their country and those who support the American occupation of Iraq.
If you were here in the early 90s you would have seen how the Iraqis used to live in Jordan.

"Iraqis get the respect in USA, England and other countries while in ARAB countries they captured in streets". I just wish that I can hear that from ONE American. Do you think that anybody will respect those who is celebrating occupation, or those who gave up their country for money, I doubt it. Do you see any respect in the way people are treated in Abu Ghraib!!!

Man if you really don't like Jordanians or what they have offered you, and you don't like Arabs, so as I have said before just pick up your stuff and go to America and England "where they respect you over there" that is if they are going to give you the visa, because for them you and all those who don't have any principle are treated like dogs.

Answering your questions:
"a)If your sister is raped by your neighbor Muslim friend will you still consider his religion and his nationality?"
I don't think that Islam has anything to do with his act or nationality, if his religion/nationality encourages him to do that, then this is a different issue.

"b) If your brother is killed by your father will you still respect your father?"
It depends on the situation on which my father will do it.

Thanks.

14 April, 2006 20:48  
Anonymous zika said...

1)
a)first of all we didn't say that saddam was the best or most merciful leader in the whole world, and we didn't say that ALL what he was doing was right, but what we said that if saddam was bad then the americans r worse, people still killed without reasons "i don't know whose killing", people still being totured, and iraqis still suffering, they're even suffering more than saddam's period, at least during his period there was something called "IRAQ" ..
then u said "we fight for 35 years" !!! i don't know from where u get this from ??!! noone in iraq faught saddam, who were against him were executed or they ran away !! u made me laugh about this one !! people who were executed those the people who faught, but the others who ran away or stayed silent, i'll not consider that fighting, if u consider it fighting then it'd be better to end this discussion !! palestians are fighting, french are fighting, lebanese are fighting .. this is called fighting, but what u were doing during saddam's period surely is not considered fighting !!
then u said "now we are building our country in the right direction regardless of the attempts to fail this project from Arab and other countries" !! i don't see how u r doing it the right way, 3 yrs passed and nothing happened !! and don't tell me that other arabs r not allowing this to happen !! we would like to see that happennig, specially jordanians 'cos we don't need another fighting region on our borders !! then read the news and see who is not allowing this to happen !! u still fighting who to appoint as a prime minister 'cos someone don't want resign for the sake of his country !! and u'r telling me "the right way" !! and if this is the democracy that u want to export to us, please don't !!
and apparently u don't know anything about democracy !! 'cos u can't force democracy on the people, when the people r ready they'll ask for it, and when they're ready enough they'll fight for it and i'm sure they'll succeed whithout any need of help from outsiders !!!!

b) as i told u before, saddam wasn't that good but the americans r not better than him, at least saddam was iraqi, not someone from outside !! and he did all that 'cos u let him and noone stood against him, but americans they're people from outside ur country and they r forcing u to do whatever they want !!

-- regarding ur questions, i don't see the points of them, sorry but could u plase explain them more!!


2)
IRAQ: 80% Arabs .. 15% Kurds
: 60% shia'a .. 40% sunnah
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
i don't know if +/- 5-10% would make a difference
"we live as one family for 6 thousand years" .. that's y u still killing each other and fighting ..


i hope that u build ur new iraqi, and i hope u do it right, and i hope that u do it the way the iraqis want not the way the americans want .. 3 yrs after saddam what i can see is that iraqis people r still fighting, and the americans r "trying" to build iraq the way they want using some iraqis dolls, i still can see them killing iraqis and iraqis killing each other ..

man we r saying that 'cos we want to see a good ARABIC/MUSLIM iraq, regardless if u like us or not, i really don't care.

i have an advice for u, each time don't start saying what u were 6000 yrs ago !! i don't fuckin care !! if we're gonna do it ur way i guess we have to give iraq and the region to israel !!!!

3))))))
lsn honey !! when one day ur brother kicked ur ass and through u out of ur fuckin home, and u went to ur cousin, and ur cousin then protected u, and gave u some decent life that u dreamed about in ur own home but u weren't able to get it urself 'cos u r idiot !! u should then thank ur god for what he have given u, and u should kiss ur cousin's legs everyday for giving u the things that ur brother didn't !!
lsn man .. i got a lots of "good" iraqis friends, who appreciate what jordan has given them when they didn't have a place to go !! and from what u have said that u lived more than 6 yrs in jordan, and after that u r saying all that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i guess u iraqis deserves what's happening to u !! and deserves what the ARABS "as u said" did to u !! 'cos if all the iraqis metality is as urs, then u deserved what saddam was doing for ur fuckin mothers and sisters ... because u fuckin iraqi people don't deserve to be given a hand !!! and if u didn't like what jordan has given to u, nobody forced u to stay, u can easily go back to ur god damn fuckin place u call iraq !! 'cos jordan don't need some fuckin people like u !! we r happy with our people and our lives, although we had a lot of difficulties but at least we're trying to do as much as we can to overcome them !!

i see that u had ur education in jordan and worked in a Foreign company, so i assume u made some good amount of money .. "7alal 3alaik el masari" bas biddeesh ashoof wijhak la2eeno ashkalak ma btestahal o sa7ee7 dail el kalb 3omro ma byen3edel !!!!!!!

14 April, 2006 21:02  
Anonymous Iraqobserver said...

ABOUD,

I dont have personal issues with Palastineans, most of my freinds here are from Palastines but it seems 90% of PAlastines have the same way of thinking. to correct you I think Palastineans have personal love with Saddam

if you dont know about our resistence to Saddam for 35 this is your problem becuase you dont look for the facts as you do now

Zika:

it seems you forogt what happeded in 1991 when my people take control of North and South or I think you were sleeping during that period or just ignore it as you ignore the FACT now that most of IRAQI people killed now because of outsiders, this is one example of the Resistence

15 April, 2006 13:47  
Anonymous zika said...

i like ur way man in ignoring the subjects !! anyway after talking to u, i don't care about what u or other fuckin iraqis did or doing .. what i care about is that u iraqis don't really deserve to live in dignity .. ya3ni bel 3arabi lazem etdal el kondara fo2 raskom , it was always the case and it'll stay like this forever, and neither u nor any iraqi will change that "mad3oos 3ala rooskom" .. and u r a pretty good example for that, i mean when u came to jordan u got education, work and dignity, but after listenning to u i guess the jordanian government should have treated u like dogs o "da3sat 3ala rasak" !!!

17 April, 2006 00:23  
Blogger ABOUD said...

Dear Iraqobserver,
The last thing that I expected was the 1991 example.

For those who don't know what happened then, this is a short glimpse: Iraq was facing 32 countries, it was under siege and guess what some Iraqis did?!!!
They raised other countries flags, and wanted to separate the country in to 3 parts!!!

Is this what you call freedom, to let down you country when it needed you most.

Man look as I have said before, look at the Algeiran revolution.
Chechens have been fighting for hundreds of years man for their freedom.
Look at the Palestinian and learn man, they are facing the whole world and still they fighting for their freedom.

Anyway I think that this discussion is going nowhere, and I think it is turning into a personal one, so I would prefer to cut it off here.

Thanks.

17 April, 2006 01:23  
Anonymous zika said...

as i said before aboud, to rule iraqis "lazem ted3as 3ala rooshom" ... that's what saddam was doing and he was right about it !!!!!!

17 April, 2006 01:48  
Blogger ساري said...

I'm not going to discuss this subject any more than all of you did because as aboud said: "this discussion is going nowhere"...

Just one point, zika, as your friend I want to say that you discuss issues in a very bad and tend to turn from an objective discussion to a humiliating and insulting argument.

You'll never win any discussion in this way.

thanks,
Sary

18 April, 2006 12:18  
Anonymous zika said...

dear sary,

if noticed my discussion was pretty much logical and objective until the other turned to be someone that doesn't deserve only humiliating and insulting .. someone without principles.

and to be more logical and objective, he said that he hate jordan and jordanians and still he lived there for a long time and worked there for 4 yrs !! IF i hate iraq i wouldn't think one day to go there even for a visit !! 'cos i've got principles !! so how could i beleive that this guy means what he's talking about !!

thanx

20 April, 2006 05:15  
Anonymous Jordan 1st said...

lsn man
we didnt hear anybody fighting when saddam was there!! if am wrong guys please tell me, i know ppl living there! i have friends studied there also.. nobody was kicked off unless he was doing something fool!! it was clear bythen, be strict to the rule and nobody will hurt u. but look at iraq now: now u'r killed by just walking in the streets! or by sitting in ur place, or in restraurants, schools, uni's!! nobody was killed like this b4!!! and if am wrong please correct me.

ur situation sucks now iraqis because u cant hold democracy and u dont know how to use it in the right way... and u blame us! we jordanians, palestinians and arabs!! how can we help u if u dont help urself,or if u dont show u want to change and improve in urselves, however beleive me we do. nobody was treated in the way we r treating u in jordan, u sent bombers and u r accusing us for the same thing?! what a shame!!!

u r the one who should fix their mentality before removing saddam,and its very abvious brother! u should done that, and after this u should remove saddam without help or need from U.S or anybody! u remove him wo tab3an mish ento the U.S. is the one who kicked his ass, and u r not capable to continue and live without his rules to go for freedom and democracy that u were telling about...

think better man and dont be stupid.. be realistic, till now u didnt do anything good after him, and u say stay away form us!! who's coming to whom!!! jad u made me laugh eno "leave us alone, leave us alone" as anybody touches u or messing with u lol
please watch and learn as Aboud said...
ur situation is getting bad and worse everyday and dont say im wrong, i have relatives in baghdad and that what they always say!!
may God help u to raise iraq, but firstly fix the mentality ok:)

funny example for what i said::: Aboud wrote something nice to baghdad and iraq to express and show some kind and nobel feelings, but instead of saying back any GOOD word al he gets that he's now blamed, and he's the wrong one, and this is what going there in real life hehe

salam

20 April, 2006 11:17  

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